Newbie Warning

"inez" <nezmyth.DeleteThis@or.fact> wrote in message news:f6ptrg$42v$2@aioe.org...
> Waterspider wrote:
>> I always use InDesign and Photoshop, but last week I worked with a new
>> printer who preferred an .ai file for a t-shirt design. Okay, I got
>> Illustrator with CS but never bothered to start it up and play around.
>> Wow, what a program! I can't wait to learn more.
>>
>> I promise to do my best with help files, google and reading old posts
>> here but, be forewarned, I may be back with some really, really stupid
>> questions. In fact, I'm sure of it <g>
>>
>
> Welcome to the group. What's that old saying?..."there are no stupid
> questions, only stupid answers." :¬)
>
> We'll be glad to help if we can.
>
Thanks for the warm welcome, Inez. I look forward to learning more, and
taking part in discussions here; seems like a great group.

Waterspider
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inez wrote:
> Waterspider wrote:
>> I always use InDesign and Photoshop, but last week I worked with a new
>> printer who preferred an .ai file for a t-shirt design. Okay, I got
>> Illustrator with CS but never bothered to start it up and play around.
>> Wow, what a program! I can't wait to learn more.
>>
>> I promise to do my best with help files, google and reading old posts
>> here but, be forewarned, I may be back with some really, really stupid
>> questions. In fact, I'm sure of it <g>
>>
>
> Welcome to the group. What's that old saying?..."there are no stupid
> questions, only stupid answers." :¬)
>
> We'll be glad to help if we can.
>
> inez


DUH!!
We love stupid questions in small caps;)
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steggy wrote:
> inez wrote:
>> Waterspider wrote:
>>> I always use InDesign and Photoshop, but last week I worked with a
>>> new printer who preferred an .ai file for a t-shirt design. Okay, I
>>> got Illustrator with CS but never bothered to start it up and play
>>> around. Wow, what a program! I can't wait to learn more.
>>>
>>> I promise to do my best with help files, google and reading old posts
>>> here but, be forewarned, I may be back with some really, really
>>> stupid questions. In fact, I'm sure of it <g>
>>>
>>
>> Welcome to the group. What's that old saying?..."there are no stupid
>> questions, only stupid answers." :¬)
>>
>> We'll be glad to help if we can.
>>
>> inez
>
>
> DUH!!
> We love stupid questions in small caps;)

Add on Spiderman: ask whatever you want. Somehow there are
people here that will answer and give the advice you need,
IF they know the answer of course;)
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"steggy" <steggy.TakeThisOut@me.privacy.net> wrote in message
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> steggy wrote:
>> inez wrote:
>>> Waterspider wrote:
>>>> I always use InDesign and Photoshop, but last week I worked with a new
>>>> printer who preferred an .ai file for a t-shirt design. Okay, I got
>>>> Illustrator with CS but never bothered to start it up and play around.
>>>> Wow, what a program! I can't wait to learn more.
>>>>
>>>> I promise to do my best with help files, google and reading old posts
>>>> here but, be forewarned, I may be back with some really, really stupid
>>>> questions. In fact, I'm sure of it <g>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Welcome to the group. What's that old saying?..."there are no stupid
>>> questions, only stupid answers." :¬)
>>>
>>> We'll be glad to help if we can.
>>>
>>> inez
>>
>>
>> DUH!!
>> We love stupid questions in small caps;)
>
> Add on Spiderman: ask whatever you want. Somehow there are people here
> that will answer and give the advice you need, IF they know the answer of
> course;)

Thanks, Steggy, I look forward to finding the courage to expose my lack of
experience and knowledge to the group

That aside, why do you call me Spiderman? Haven't you ever heard of black
widows? Not saying that I'm black, or widowed, but I wonder about these
things...
<evil grin>

Waterspider
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Waterspider wrote:
> "steggy" <steggy DeleteThis @me.privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:5fcn3kF3c1um2U3@mid.individual.net...
>> steggy wrote:
>>> inez wrote:
>>>> Waterspider wrote:
>>>>> I always use InDesign and Photoshop, but last week I worked with a new
>>>>> printer who preferred an .ai file for a t-shirt design. Okay, I got
>>>>> Illustrator with CS but never bothered to start it up and play around.
>>>>> Wow, what a program! I can't wait to learn more.
>>>>>
>>>>> I promise to do my best with help files, google and reading old posts
>>>>> here but, be forewarned, I may be back with some really, really stupid
>>>>> questions. In fact, I'm sure of it <g>
>>>>>
>>>> Welcome to the group. What's that old saying?..."there are no stupid
>>>> questions, only stupid answers." :¬)
>>>>
>>>> We'll be glad to help if we can.
>>>>
>>>> inez
>>>
>>> DUH!!
>>> We love stupid questions in small caps;)
>> Add on Spiderman: ask whatever you want. Somehow there are people here
>> that will answer and give the advice you need, IF they know the answer of
>> course;)
>
> Thanks, Steggy, I look forward to finding the courage to expose my lack of
> experience and knowledge to the group
>
> That aside, why do you call me Spiderman? Haven't you ever heard of black
> widows? Not saying that I'm black, or widowed, but I wonder about these
> things...
> <evil grin>
>
> Waterspider
>
>

I like the name Waterspider. They nimbly walk across water. Don't they
also (pardon my bad memory) turn upside down in the water and 'walk' the
surface? They prey on mosquitoes and their larvae, right? Hmm...then
again, I may be inventing that in my mind...wishful thinking;)

I'm self-taught and using old versions of everything, but I kinda like
it when someone poses a question I don't immediately know the answer to.
Time permitting, I'll set out to discover the answer. Many times there
are more than one answer; several ways to accomplish the same task.
Making that discovery for the first time is fun and it helps me really
'learn' it better.

i
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"inez" <nezmyth.DeleteThis@or.fact> wrote in message news:f6rta1$5fm$1@aioe.org...
> Waterspider wrote:
>> "steggy" <steggy.DeleteThis@me.privacy.net> wrote in message
>> news:5fcn3kF3c1um2U3@mid.individual.net...
>>> steggy wrote:
>>>> inez wrote:
>>>>> Waterspider wrote:
>>>>>> I always use InDesign and Photoshop, but last week I worked with a
>>>>>> new printer who preferred an .ai file for a t-shirt design. Okay, I
>>>>>> got Illustrator with CS but never bothered to start it up and play
>>>>>> around. Wow, what a program! I can't wait to learn more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I promise to do my best with help files, google and reading old posts
>>>>>> here but, be forewarned, I may be back with some really, really
>>>>>> stupid questions. In fact, I'm sure of it <g>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Welcome to the group. What's that old saying?..."there are no stupid
>>>>> questions, only stupid answers." :¬)
>>>>>
>>>>> We'll be glad to help if we can.
>>>>>
>>>>> inez
>>>>
>>>> DUH!!
>>>> We love stupid questions in small caps;)
>>> Add on Spiderman: ask whatever you want. Somehow there are people here
>>> that will answer and give the advice you need, IF they know the answer
>>> of course;)
>>
>> Thanks, Steggy, I look forward to finding the courage to expose my lack
>> of experience and knowledge to the group
>>
>> That aside, why do you call me Spiderman? Haven't you ever heard of black
>> widows? Not saying that I'm black, or widowed, but I wonder about these
>> things...
>> <evil grin>
>>
>> Waterspider
>
> I like the name Waterspider. They nimbly walk across water. Don't they
> also (pardon my bad memory) turn upside down in the water and 'walk' the
> surface? They prey on mosquitoes and their larvae, right? Hmm...then
> again, I may be inventing that in my mind...wishful thinking;)

There are spiders that "skate" on the water's surface, and there are spiders
that build their nests and little diving bells underwater. My name is one
that I took years ago for Usenet posting, simply because I'm enamoured with
spiders and live near the water. Yeah, pretty bland. Well, I do have a
33-year-old tattoo of a spider on my upper arm. Took decades for it to
become fashionable
>
> I'm self-taught and using old versions of everything, but I kinda like it
> when someone poses a question I don't immediately know the answer to. Time
> permitting, I'll set out to discover the answer. Many times there are more
> than one answer; several ways to accomplish the same task. Making that
> discovery for the first time is fun and it helps me really 'learn' it
> better.
>
All my computer skills are self-taught too, and I think part of the reason
for (our) success with software is the realization that there are many ways
to accomplish the same result. I'd go so far as saying that even the
developers aren't aware of all the possible methods in which their tools can
be used. Apparently you can categorize people in three ways by how they
learn: some learn by reading, others by watching and the rest by doing. I
suspect that you and I are in the last category, and I suspect that we have
way more fun learning than the other two.

Cheers,

Waterspider
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Waterspider wrote:
> "inez" <nezmyth.TakeThisOut@or.fact> wrote in message news:f6rta1$5fm$1@aioe.org...

>> I like the name Waterspider. They nimbly walk across water. Don't they
>> also (pardon my bad memory) turn upside down in the water and 'walk' the
>> surface? They prey on mosquitoes and their larvae, right? Hmm...then
>> again, I may be inventing that in my mind...wishful thinking;)
>
> There are spiders that "skate" on the water's surface, and there are spiders
> that build their nests and little diving bells underwater. My name is one
> that I took years ago for Usenet posting, simply because I'm enamoured with
> spiders and live near the water. Yeah, pretty bland. Well, I do have a
> 33-year-old tattoo of a spider on my upper arm. Took decades for it to
> become fashionable

I may not be enamored with spiders but I appreciate them. Unfortunately
with age comes caution. I've failed to learn and identify which spiders
in my area could be harmful to me or my critters, 7 cats and 1 probable
pitbull, so I try to scoop them up and get them outside. I took a rather
pleasant photo of a spider some years ago. I'll have to forage it up and
show it to you. I used to have it as a desktop picture.

As for tattoos; fashion be damned! If they suit you, to heck with the
trendy masses;) I gave myself a script tat on my ankle some 40 years ago
and never regretted it. It's the nickname of my first love, Little Boy.
I always wished I had the money for the extravagance of an Oriental tattoo.

>> I'm self-taught and using old versions of everything, but I kinda like it
>> when someone poses a question I don't immediately know the answer to. Time
>> permitting, I'll set out to discover the answer. Many times there are more
>> than one answer; several ways to accomplish the same task. Making that
>> discovery for the first time is fun and it helps me really 'learn' it
>> better.
>>

> All my computer skills are self-taught too,

I'm still not sure what I have are computer *skills*. But we bought
our first Mac in 1985. It was a demo model and it had no users manual,
but I was up and running that day. 'Course back then it was kinda
cheating using a Mac. Virtually foolproof.

> and I think part of the reason for (our) success with software is the
> realization that there are many ways to accomplish the same result.
> I'd go so far as saying that even the developers aren't aware of all
> the possible methods in which their tools can be used. Apparently
> you can categorize people in three ways by how they learn: some learn
> by reading, others by watching and the rest by doing. I suspect that
> you and I are in the last category, and I suspect that we have way
> more fun learning than the other two.
>

I'll admit to some envy of those who read well and can learn that way,
but I love the discovery in doing:)

inez
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On Jul 9, 9:35 am, inez <nezm....TakeThisOut@or.fact> wrote:
> Waterspider wrote:
> > "inez" <nezm....TakeThisOut@or.fact> wrote in messagenews:f6rta1$5fm$1@aioe.org...
> >> I like the name Waterspider. They nimbly walk across water. Don't they
> >> also (pardon my bad memory) turn upside down in the water and 'walk' the
> >> surface? They prey on mosquitoes and their larvae, right? Hmm...then
> >> again, I may be inventing that in my mind...wishful thinking;)
>
> > There are spiders that "skate" on the water's surface, and there are spiders
> > that build their nests and little diving bells underwater. My name is one
> > that I took years ago for Usenet posting, simply because I'm enamoured with
> > spiders and live near the water. Yeah, pretty bland. Well, I do have a
> > 33-year-old tattoo of a spider on my upper arm. Took decades for it to
> > become fashionable
>
> I may not be enamored with spiders but I appreciate them. Unfortunately
> with age comes caution. I've failed to learn and identify which spiders
> in my area could be harmful to me or my critters, 7 cats and 1 probable
> pitbull, so I try to scoop them up and get them outside. I took a rather
> pleasant photo of a spider some years ago. I'll have to forage it up and
> show it to you. I used to have it as a desktop picture.
>
> As for tattoos; fashion be damned! If they suit you, to heck with the
> trendy masses;) I gave myself a script tat on my ankle some 40 years ago
> and never regretted it. It's the nickname of my first love, Little Boy.
> I always wished I had the money for the extravagance of an Oriental tattoo.
>
> >> I'm self-taught and using old versions of everything, but I kinda like it
> >> when someone poses a question I don't immediately know the answer to. Time
> >> permitting, I'll set out to discover the answer. Many times there are more
> >> than one answer; several ways to accomplish the same task. Making that
> >> discovery for the first time is fun and it helps me really 'learn' it
> >> better.
>
> > All my computer skills are self-taught too,
>
> I'm still not sure what I have are computer *skills*. But we bought
> our first Mac in 1985. It was a demo model and it had no users manual,
> but I was up and running that day. 'Course back then it was kinda
> cheating using a Mac. Virtually foolproof.
>
> > and I think part of the reason for (our) success with software is the
> > realization that there are many ways to accomplish the same result.
> > I'd go so far as saying that even the developers aren't aware of all
> > the possible methods in which their tools can be used. Apparently
> > you can categorize people in three ways by how they learn: some learn
> > by reading, others by watching and the rest by doing. I suspect that
> > you and I are in the last category, and I suspect that we have way
> > more fun learning than the other two.
>
> I'll admit to some envy of those who read well and can learn that way,
> but I love the discovery in doing:)
>
> inez

I really love technology. It's very empowering. and I really like
learning thru the video tutorials and now as digital tutorials.
Adobe has some great tutorials on their site. Free of charge. Just
have to search for it.
For illustrator, there are great tutorials on the Adobe site
especially about Live Trace/Live Paint. The functionis pretty good,
could still use a LOT of improvement but its a great start.
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nono umasy wrote:
> On Jul 9, 9:35 am, inez <nezm....RemoveThis@or.fact> wrote:

>> BIG SNIP <<

>> I'll admit to some envy of those who read well and can learn that way,
>> but I love the discovery in doing:)
>>
>> inez
>
> For illustrator, there are great tutorials on the Adobe site
> especially about Live Trace/Live Paint. The functionis pretty good,
> could still use a LOT of improvement but its a great start.
>

Well, if the programs get too good then it won't take people who know
what they're doing to use them. Wouldn't want that;)

i
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"nono umasy" <nigelinsouthamerica.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1184033817.836862.42490@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 9, 9:35 am, inez <nezm....TakeThisOut@or.fact> wrote:
>> Waterspider wrote:
>> > "inez" <nezm....TakeThisOut@or.fact> wrote in messagenews:f6rta1$5fm$1@aioe.org...
>> >> I like the name Waterspider. They nimbly walk across water. Don't they
>> >> also (pardon my bad memory) turn upside down in the water and 'walk'
>> >> the
>> >> surface? They prey on mosquitoes and their larvae, right? Hmm...then
>> >> again, I may be inventing that in my mind...wishful thinking;)
>>
>> > There are spiders that "skate" on the water's surface, and there are
>> > spiders
>> > that build their nests and little diving bells underwater. My name is
>> > one
>> > that I took years ago for Usenet posting, simply because I'm enamoured
>> > with
>> > spiders and live near the water. Yeah, pretty bland. Well, I do have a
>> > 33-year-old tattoo of a spider on my upper arm. Took decades for it to
>> > become fashionable
>>
>> I may not be enamored with spiders but I appreciate them. Unfortunately
>> with age comes caution. I've failed to learn and identify which spiders
>> in my area could be harmful to me or my critters, 7 cats and 1 probable
>> pitbull, so I try to scoop them up and get them outside. I took a rather
>> pleasant photo of a spider some years ago. I'll have to forage it up and
>> show it to you. I used to have it as a desktop picture.
>>
>> As for tattoos; fashion be damned! If they suit you, to heck with the
>> trendy masses;) I gave myself a script tat on my ankle some 40 years ago
>> and never regretted it. It's the nickname of my first love, Little Boy.
>> I always wished I had the money for the extravagance of an Oriental
>> tattoo.
>>
>> >> I'm self-taught and using old versions of everything, but I kinda like
>> >> it
>> >> when someone poses a question I don't immediately know the answer to.
>> >> Time
>> >> permitting, I'll set out to discover the answer. Many times there are
>> >> more
>> >> than one answer; several ways to accomplish the same task. Making that
>> >> discovery for the first time is fun and it helps me really 'learn' it
>> >> better.
>>
>> > All my computer skills are self-taught too,
>>
>> I'm still not sure what I have are computer *skills*. But we bought
>> our first Mac in 1985. It was a demo model and it had no users manual,
>> but I was up and running that day. 'Course back then it was kinda
>> cheating using a Mac. Virtually foolproof.
>>
>> > and I think part of the reason for (our) success with software is the
>> > realization that there are many ways to accomplish the same result.
>> > I'd go so far as saying that even the developers aren't aware of all
>> > the possible methods in which their tools can be used. Apparently
>> > you can categorize people in three ways by how they learn: some learn
>> > by reading, others by watching and the rest by doing. I suspect that
>> > you and I are in the last category, and I suspect that we have way
>> > more fun learning than the other two.
>>
>> I'll admit to some envy of those who read well and can learn that way,
>> but I love the discovery in doing:)
>>
>> inez
>
> I really love technology. It's very empowering. and I really like
> learning thru the video tutorials and now as digital tutorials.
> Adobe has some great tutorials on their site. Free of charge. Just
> have to search for it.
> For illustrator, there are great tutorials on the Adobe site
> especially about Live Trace/Live Paint. The functionis pretty good,
> could still use a LOT of improvement but its a great start.
>
Thanks, Nono, I look forward to checking them out.
I need all the help I can get-- sadly, I got Adobe Illustrator as a
component of Photoshop CS3, and there was no Illustrator manual included,
only Photoshop. It's like going back, back in the day, when your only
software was demo/beta versions with no manual and not even a help file...
and all those bugs. It's like being a teenager all over again, and I just
want to push the buttons.
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"inez" <nezmyth.DeleteThis@or.fact> wrote in message news:f6uuco$a26$1@aioe.org...
> nono umasy wrote:
>> On Jul 9, 9:35 am, inez <nezm....DeleteThis@or.fact> wrote:
>
>>> BIG SNIP <<
>
>>> I'll admit to some envy of those who read well and can learn that way,
>>> but I love the discovery in doing:)
>>>
>>> inez
>>
>> For illustrator, there are great tutorials on the Adobe site
>> especially about Live Trace/Live Paint. The functionis pretty good,
>> could still use a LOT of improvement but its a great start.
>>
>
> Well, if the programs get too good then it won't take people who know what
> they're doing to use them. Wouldn't want that;)
>
> i

Happily, we could all fall back upon our traditional artistic merits.
<g>
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